Lost for May 24 - The WTF Edition
This is going to be a short post. Lost airs here 9-11 and it is approaching midnight here and since my body still thinks it is 2 AM, I'm quite tired.
Before I touch the whole WTF part of the show - let me just say that this show had some of the best lines ever. The whole Sawyer/Evil Blonde Chick (yes, I forgot her name again) conversation was classic. Charlie's part was also great. I've said before that he wasn't my favorite character, but tonight he really shone. (And then he died. Ah well.)
What about that map that Ben had? Did anyone else seem to think it looked a little bit... I don't know, Playskool? My friend said it looked like he went to the Lost Restaurant and that was the place mat. Seemed kind of silly for him to be doing precise measurements on it.
So now the big question is.... what in the heck are they going to do for three more seasons? I mean - they left the island, and while life sucked for Jack (and possibly Kate), what can the writers do now? If the whole thing was a dream... well that would be a major copout. If they spend the next three seasons showing what happened to folks... that would just plain suck. I'd almost rather them simply end now. It would be a great way to end. Sure, they wouldn't have answered everything (Black Smoke/Giant Foot/Hurley still fat), but from a story perspective, it would be a great way to go out.
So here is my question folks - what in the you know what are they going to do next?
Comments
Charlie was resigned to the fact that he had to die in order to save Claire and the baby. He asked Desmond if he had any more visions and Desmond said no - which sort of sealed Charlie's fate.
Did anyone catch who died in the 'flash forward'?
I still think there is a lot of story left... Obviously something happened to throw Jack off the deep end. And who is Kate with? She mentions at the end 'he'll be upset if I don't get back'...
And who are the 'other' others that Ben mentions? Is Penny part of that group?
Did anyone catch who died in the 'flash forward'?
I still think there is a lot of story left... Obviously something happened to throw Jack off the deep end. And who is Kate with? She mentions at the end 'he'll be upset if I don't get back'...
And who are the 'other' others that Ben mentions? Is Penny part of that group?
# Posted By Jim Priest
| 5/24/07 7:15 AM
So who died in the funeral home? I think it was Ben or Sawyer. Locke stays on the island and other than Sayid, the rest had family that would have shown up to the funeral. It was someone that Kate has some kind of relationship (good or bad) with.
I thought something was up when they covered all of the bodies except Mikhals. Then Charlie dieing made no sense to me either. Just go out the hatch and shut the door behind you.
How does Kate get to stay out of prison? She was heading there when the plane crashed.
In summary, If I wanted to watch a bearded doctor with a drug problem I'd just watch House.
I thought something was up when they covered all of the bodies except Mikhals. Then Charlie dieing made no sense to me either. Just go out the hatch and shut the door behind you.
How does Kate get to stay out of prison? She was heading there when the plane crashed.
In summary, If I wanted to watch a bearded doctor with a drug problem I'd just watch House.
I think Charlie knew that he had to die to make sure Claire was rescued.
One thing was weird was they did not show Claire getting on the helicopter to finish out the vision.
What was up with Jack saying, Call my father , if he is drunker than I am fire me....
Whose casket did he go see.
Does anyone know yet if it was the writers decision to have Charlie die or did he not want to do the show anymore?
The ending really made me mad more than being excited for next season.... I did dvr the show so I could watch it again to see if I missed anything the first time...
-Randy
One thing was weird was they did not show Claire getting on the helicopter to finish out the vision.
What was up with Jack saying, Call my father , if he is drunker than I am fire me....
Whose casket did he go see.
Does anyone know yet if it was the writers decision to have Charlie die or did he not want to do the show anymore?
The ending really made me mad more than being excited for next season.... I did dvr the show so I could watch it again to see if I missed anything the first time...
-Randy
# Posted By Randy Johnson
| 5/24/07 7:22 AM
I think Hurley to the Rescue was the most kick ass thing I've seen.
# Posted By wtf
| 5/24/07 7:36 AM
I initially thought it was Sawyer who died, but after thinking about Kate's reaction to the obit and Jack saying he thought she would like to know (or something like that) I think it was someone else, Ben or Juliette perhaps.
That being said, I think the 'he' who would be upset if she didn't get back is Sawyer.
That being said, I think the 'he' who would be upset if she didn't get back is Sawyer.
# Posted By Scott Stroz
| 5/24/07 7:39 AM
All I know is.. That was the best use of the VAN yet.
# Posted By Robert Owen
| 5/24/07 7:41 AM
I don't know. I can easily see Sawyer and Kate hooking up after leaving, then breaking up badly, which would account for her saying 'why would i go' when he died. So I think it was Sawyer. I think if Ben died he would spit on the grave.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 5/24/07 7:43 AM
I think the funeral home death was Juliette maybe. I can't think of anyone else that Kate would have acted incredulously about going to their funeral. I guess Ben, but I don't think he would leave the island no matter what. Also since it was a flash forward its not conclusive, its probably similar to Desmonds flashes. I think if you watch again the part with Jack talking to the other doctor when he mentions his father the other doctor looks at him a little off... I'm not sure if that means his father is still dead and everyone knows it crazy man on pills... or if it means he is alive but different. Anyhow yeah.
The Charlie thing was weird, I know he was resigned to die so Claire could be saved. I don't know, the writing and everything in that part felt very heavy handed. I honestly think they had taken his character as far as they could at this point, and it was a good time to write it off.
The Charlie thing was weird, I know he was resigned to die so Claire could be saved. I don't know, the writing and everything in that part felt very heavy handed. I honestly think they had taken his character as far as they could at this point, and it was a good time to write it off.
If you recall Kate implies that there's someone she needs to get back to when she's talking with Jack at the end. I think this is Sawyer. This would lead me to believe that the casket contains some one else that rubbed people the wrong way and had no friends or family, i.e. Locke or Ben. Also a long shot guess would be Michael, since he betrayed them and the funeral home seemed to be in a black neighborhood or black-owned. (Funeral parlors have a long history of being racially separated.)
I also found it curious that Jack spoke of his father several times as if he was alive, both in the hospital and at the drug store.
Also, is this one possible future, or what is certain to come?
I also found it curious that Jack spoke of his father several times as if he was alive, both in the hospital and at the drug store.
Also, is this one possible future, or what is certain to come?
# Posted By Dan Russell
| 5/24/07 7:52 AM
@Robert - As an old VW fan - I heartily agree. That'll be one to pick up in a few years when they have the Lost prop auction... :)
# Posted By Jim Priest
| 5/24/07 8:00 AM
I think the body in the casket is Michael. Jack appeared to be in an African-American area of town with a black funeral director. Kate wouldn't care if Michael was dead, he took the boat out of Dodge, leaving them all on the dock with Ben.
And why is it that Locke couldn't kill his own father because "he wasn't a murderer", but had no problem launching his Rambo knife into Naomi's back?
And why is it that Locke couldn't kill his own father because "he wasn't a murderer", but had no problem launching his Rambo knife into Naomi's back?
# Posted By Joel Cox
| 5/24/07 8:04 AM
And He couldn't kill Jack......
# Posted By Randy Johnson
| 5/24/07 8:06 AM
In the beginning of the final "Flash Forward" I really thought I saw Sun on the plane a few rows back from Jack. Also, at the end when we see Kate... How is she not a fugitive anymore.. I mean, didnt she kill her step father?
I think this whole ending is more like Desmond's "Flash back" when the Hatch blew up. They'll end up back on the island next season.
I think this whole ending is more like Desmond's "Flash back" when the Hatch blew up. They'll end up back on the island next season.
# Posted By Robert Owen
| 5/24/07 8:09 AM
Robert, she may very well be a fugitive still. Remember either her or Jack mentioned telling lies.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 5/24/07 8:17 AM
The Charlie's death, if he is in fact dead, rubbed me the wrong way. He could have made it through the broken window or both of them could have made it to the surface with one using dive gear. I can understand the argument though that he felt he had to die to save Claire and the baby.
By the way, my boss has a double vision problem right now and has an eye patch. He also has a similar hair pattern as Mikail, so everytime I look at him I think of Mikail.
By the way, my boss has a double vision problem right now and has an eye patch. He also has a similar hair pattern as Mikail, so everytime I look at him I think of Mikail.
# Posted By Daniel Roberts
| 5/24/07 8:23 AM
The dead person could be Ben. If Ben was telling the truthabout the people monitoring the signal, then some crazy stuff is about to happen on the island. Maybe the hostiles and the Lost crew end up ganging up.
Last night's episode definitely opens up the door for at least one interesting season. I think its going to be a season of flash-forwards. The flashbacks are done. Now we are going to find out everything in pieces through glimpses of post-island life.
Last night's episode definitely opens up the door for at least one interesting season. I think its going to be a season of flash-forwards. The flashbacks are done. Now we are going to find out everything in pieces through glimpses of post-island life.
# Posted By Dave Konopka
| 5/24/07 8:56 AM
I also was thrown off with the comments Jack kept making about his dad being in charge of the Hospital.
Also, I'm wondering if the woman in the car crash was one of the survivers--maybe Claire? She had a son who looked to be maybe 7 and the future scenes certainly could have taken place 7 years in the future.
I'm just wondering why he was so dead set on doing the surgery on her.
Also, I'm wondering if the woman in the car crash was one of the survivers--maybe Claire? She had a son who looked to be maybe 7 and the future scenes certainly could have taken place 7 years in the future.
I'm just wondering why he was so dead set on doing the surgery on her.
# Posted By Dan G. Switzer, II
| 5/24/07 8:57 AM
One thing to consider. We assume that they got off after Jack radioed in. That may not be true. They may have gotten off years after that. So next season they could easily be back on the island, and the flash forwards could continue.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 5/24/07 9:29 AM
ok . .so when naomi landed.. she had elaborate stories about how they "found the wreckage"... and well... i'm starting to think that Jack's father iS alive....
because... somehow, they flew into a bermuda-triangle-type "dimensional warp" .. .and they landed on the island .. but in their originating dimension . .the plane actually crashed in the ocean (and all of 'em died) .. . . and now....
now. .they get rescued from this island. but in a new dimension/time... such that .. . kate was never a fugitive.. and ... and ....
stephen king's "the dark tower" series of books kinda has something like this happening with "portals" and what not . .where the characters travel around through time and space .. and differing realities (like bizarro-world)..
just my $.02..
jonezy
because... somehow, they flew into a bermuda-triangle-type "dimensional warp" .. .and they landed on the island .. but in their originating dimension . .the plane actually crashed in the ocean (and all of 'em died) .. . . and now....
now. .they get rescued from this island. but in a new dimension/time... such that .. . kate was never a fugitive.. and ... and ....
stephen king's "the dark tower" series of books kinda has something like this happening with "portals" and what not . .where the characters travel around through time and space .. and differing realities (like bizarro-world)..
just my $.02..
jonezy
Is it possible that this wasn't a flash forward? It seems like Desmond's been to the island "before" right?
I agree that the person who died in the flash forward was Michael - Kate wouldn't have cared if he died, but Jack in his state was clinging to anything from the island.
I also think there is a lot of story left to tell. What do they still have to go through to get them off the island, especially that leaves Jack in such a broken state. On island, he's obsessed with getting off the island, and afterwards, he realized getting rescued wasn't the best thing for him - what happens next?
Plus we need to see the origins of the others - Black Rock crew, or something else. And we need to see what really happened to Danielle and her crew and how she and Alex came to be seperated by Ben. And we need to find out who/what is Jacob.
See Ray, there's a lot of story left. Plus now, you get 8 months of Wednesday nights to work on blogCFC 6.0 ;^)
I also think there is a lot of story left to tell. What do they still have to go through to get them off the island, especially that leaves Jack in such a broken state. On island, he's obsessed with getting off the island, and afterwards, he realized getting rescued wasn't the best thing for him - what happens next?
Plus we need to see the origins of the others - Black Rock crew, or something else. And we need to see what really happened to Danielle and her crew and how she and Alex came to be seperated by Ben. And we need to find out who/what is Jacob.
See Ray, there's a lot of story left. Plus now, you get 8 months of Wednesday nights to work on blogCFC 6.0 ;^)
# Posted By Rob W
| 5/24/07 9:35 AM
There are 2 possible reasons for him wanting to do the surgery.
1) He feels guilty because he knows it was his fault the accident happened.
2) Since he can assume she knows it was his fault, he could botch the surgery so she couldn't tell anyone.
My guess would be that when /if the Other Others show up, only a select few could be rescued.
1) He feels guilty because he knows it was his fault the accident happened.
2) Since he can assume she knows it was his fault, he could botch the surgery so she couldn't tell anyone.
My guess would be that when /if the Other Others show up, only a select few could be rescued.
# Posted By Scott Stroz
| 5/24/07 9:36 AM
I don't think its Michael who died. I;d like to think he still had people who would go to his funeral (like his son and ex-wife)
I think the people who make most sense are Sawyer or Juliette. Though Juliette did have a sister, so who knows.
I think the people who make most sense are Sawyer or Juliette. Though Juliette did have a sister, so who knows.
# Posted By Scott Stroz
| 5/24/07 9:40 AM
Didn't Michael's ex-wife die? Wasn't that why he went to Oz to pick up Walt. And Walt could well be back on the island.
# Posted By Rob W
| 5/24/07 9:45 AM
I think you are correct.
Here is something else I just thought of. When jack was in the car looking at the obit, he called someone. Was it Kate? There was a voice that rattled off the number, but I missed if it was the same number from when we know he called Kate. I just assumed he called the same person, but it could have been a different number.
I think Naomi's story about the news coverage of the crash is hogwash.
Here is something else I just thought of. When jack was in the car looking at the obit, he called someone. Was it Kate? There was a voice that rattled off the number, but I missed if it was the same number from when we know he called Kate. I just assumed he called the same person, but it could have been a different number.
I think Naomi's story about the news coverage of the crash is hogwash.
# Posted By Scott Stroz
| 5/24/07 10:01 AM
Newspaper clipping:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AA...
LOS ANGELES
Man found d(eceased/ead) downtown loft
The body of J--- -antham of
New York was found shortly after 4
a.m. in the --- of Grand
Avenue.
The -- a de--- man at The
Tower --- --- heard loud
noises --- -- m's loft.
Co --------- uncovered the
--- the from a beam in the
--- bedroom
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AA...
LOS ANGELES
Man found d(eceased/ead) downtown loft
The body of J--- -antham of
New York was found shortly after 4
a.m. in the --- of Grand
Avenue.
The -- a de--- man at The
Tower --- --- heard loud
noises --- -- m's loft.
Co --------- uncovered the
--- the from a beam in the
--- bedroom
To me the 'man at The Tower' seems to be they quoted a man from the building where whatever happened happened.
# Posted By Scott Stroz
| 5/24/07 10:43 AM
nevermind...missed the headline.
# Posted By Scott Stroz
| 5/24/07 10:44 AM
Notice the loud noises part. And the "J". I'd bet it was James (Sawyer), and the loud noises implied he died a bad death. If things DID go bad for everyone, I'm sure Sawyer returned to a life of crime and it finally caught up with him.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 5/24/07 11:09 AM
I think its Sawyer too. If you look the next letter after the "J" of the first name is clearly a round letter like either a lower-case "a" or "o". So James would fit but Im not sure what his last name is or if they have even said at anytime in the past. I wish I had season 1 on dvd so I could re-watch the epsisode where they realize Sawyers name isnt Sawyer and maybe they said his last name then.
I was happy about this finale. I think it keeps true to the whole philosophy of Lost. You answer a few questions but those answers lead to even more questions. Its those new questions that keep the story going.
I agree with the above comment about the flashbacks being over and now everything will be flash forwards. I think there will be a major shift in the story from here on out and the battle will be with this new group that is looking for the island.
Did anyone else find it weird that the instance that Charlie turned off the jammer, Penny was sitting at a desk sending a signal to the island?
I was happy about this finale. I think it keeps true to the whole philosophy of Lost. You answer a few questions but those answers lead to even more questions. Its those new questions that keep the story going.
I agree with the above comment about the flashbacks being over and now everything will be flash forwards. I think there will be a major shift in the story from here on out and the battle will be with this new group that is looking for the island.
Did anyone else find it weird that the instance that Charlie turned off the jammer, Penny was sitting at a desk sending a signal to the island?
# Posted By Russ Johnson
| 5/24/07 12:42 PM
Maybe Penny had a broadcaster hooked up to her Macbook -- the iSight was ready to go whenever the signal cleared up ;)
# Posted By Dave Konopka
| 5/24/07 12:46 PM
@DK - It could have been Sawyer's current alias.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 5/24/07 3:15 PM
I think they're trying to show us more of what the island is. All these people had their 'sins' coming to the island. They island is redemption from the empty life that they came from. Notice how everyone has come to terms with their past and is able to move forward in a positive way?
Ben however is ignoring the island, and what it truly means and therefor is being stricken with cancer and ignored by the 'bearded ghost'. So this redemption that the island offers comes with a price... you have to live on sand, you have to struggle, blah, blah, blah. But you're happy d@mmit! and that's how we liked it... wait... uh, nevermind.
Charlie died to save desmond from seeing penny on the screen. If desmond had seen penny on the screen (which was waterproof) he wouldn't have left the room and would have drowned. Perhaps the actor (charlie) had a movie offer that he couldn't turn down and needed off the show.
The flash-forwards with jack weren't quite the same as the visions because we were seeing the result, not one of the islanders. BUT what question it does raise (if anyone caught it) is that locke said 'you're not supposed to do that'... just like the lady said to desmond when he tried to buy the ring.
I've got two theories
1 - the island is the long sought after 'fountain of youth' and the dharma initiative wanted to bottle it's properties and sell it to the world
2 - it's a experiment on humans to see if the react consistently when presented with the same situations over and over again (desmond's repeating timeline visions)
Ben however is ignoring the island, and what it truly means and therefor is being stricken with cancer and ignored by the 'bearded ghost'. So this redemption that the island offers comes with a price... you have to live on sand, you have to struggle, blah, blah, blah. But you're happy d@mmit! and that's how we liked it... wait... uh, nevermind.
Charlie died to save desmond from seeing penny on the screen. If desmond had seen penny on the screen (which was waterproof) he wouldn't have left the room and would have drowned. Perhaps the actor (charlie) had a movie offer that he couldn't turn down and needed off the show.
The flash-forwards with jack weren't quite the same as the visions because we were seeing the result, not one of the islanders. BUT what question it does raise (if anyone caught it) is that locke said 'you're not supposed to do that'... just like the lady said to desmond when he tried to buy the ring.
I've got two theories
1 - the island is the long sought after 'fountain of youth' and the dharma initiative wanted to bottle it's properties and sell it to the world
2 - it's a experiment on humans to see if the react consistently when presented with the same situations over and over again (desmond's repeating timeline visions)
i think that hurley savin the day was frickin awesome, and i think the one who died in the end was either juliette, cuz why else would jack and kate act like that? or sawyer.
# Posted By laura
| 5/25/07 3:42 PM
Good article here with a few clues:
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index...
And for the person who mentioned BlogCFC 6 - when I was in the airport yesterday I took down some notes on Theme support in v6. You can see this on the wiki at blogcfc.riaforge.org.
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index...
And for the person who mentioned BlogCFC 6 - when I was in the airport yesterday I took down some notes on Theme support in v6. You can see this on the wiki at blogcfc.riaforge.org.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 5/26/07 9:43 AM
I hated the flash forward bit and would strongly encourage the writers of Lost to keep away from using too many more in future episodes, sticking instead what worked for the entire span of the show prior to the experimental season three finale -very frustrating.
# Posted By Angry Fan
| 5/27/07 4:26 AM
I think that the people coming to "rescue" will be the next set of others the survivors will have to go up against. They have defeated the "others", now the have the new "others".
# Posted By Hatem Jaber
| 5/28/07 8:02 PM
To angry fan -
When a show sticks to a formula, especially a sow like Lost, is when things get stale and people head for the door. There is no indication that they will be using the flash forward format many more times, let alone one more, because the unexpected nature of it is why it worked so well. The writers are talented enough to know that if every other show was a flash forward it would lose its meaning. I thought they brilliantly brought the future into this season's finale to give a glimpse of how their current actions weren't everything they seem to be.
When a show sticks to a formula, especially a sow like Lost, is when things get stale and people head for the door. There is no indication that they will be using the flash forward format many more times, let alone one more, because the unexpected nature of it is why it worked so well. The writers are talented enough to know that if every other show was a flash forward it would lose its meaning. I thought they brilliantly brought the future into this season's finale to give a glimpse of how their current actions weren't everything they seem to be.
# Posted By Lost and Loving It
| 6/7/07 10:45 AM
I realised that in the newspaper clipping (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AA...) the letter after 'J' is defineltly an 'o' beacause from several other a's in the clipping, we realise that an a looks like exactly this 'a' so its a 'Jo'
Do you remember the identity that Kate was trying to steal of a woman called Joanna? It might be her.
They also say that the flash-forward was 2.5 years after the crash but we did not go any further than 1 year ....... what if they didn't get off the island?
Do you remember the identity that Kate was trying to steal of a woman called Joanna? It might be her.
They also say that the flash-forward was 2.5 years after the crash but we did not go any further than 1 year ....... what if they didn't get off the island?
# Posted By Fares M
| 9/19/07 1:30 PM
Fares - I don't get your last statement. They _did_ get off the island - that was the whole point.
# Posted By Raymond Camden
| 9/19/07 1:32 PM
Forget it.....i made a mistake...... I mean't theflash-forward was 2 years later
b.t.w looks like there's a capital L before anntham 'Lantham' and there's space for only two letters so its either John Lantham or Josh Lantham. Maybe it's a new character that will be introduced
b.t.w looks like there's a capital L before anntham 'Lantham' and there's space for only two letters so its either John Lantham or Josh Lantham. Maybe it's a new character that will be introduced
# Posted By Fares M
| 9/20/07 9:15 AM
Woahhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Finaly.... I knew what the newspaper clipping read:
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim’s loft. Concerned for tenants’ safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Plus check this out:
The funeral home's name is Hoffs-Drawler
Anyone noticed anything about it?!?!
Rearrange the letters to get FLASH-FORWARD
Finaly.... I knew what the newspaper clipping read:
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim’s loft. Concerned for tenants’ safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Plus check this out:
The funeral home's name is Hoffs-Drawler
Anyone noticed anything about it?!?!
Rearrange the letters to get FLASH-FORWARD
# Posted By Fares M
| 9/21/07 1:47 PM
We'll Scott P posted what he found as the newspaper clipping. And I've heard a few others mention "Tower"? There has been ties to Wizard of Oz. Maybe it's a hint since the Wizard was in a Tower and was the man behind the curtain. So maybe it "Jacod" or "Jake". No one ever said he was dead on the island.
# Posted By whatever
| 2/4/08 9:24 AM
Charlie dying was kind of lame. Both him and Desmond easily could have had enough time to put on diving gear and get out before the entire station filled with water. They could have even just jumped in the water and swam to the surface. Just like Sylar slinking away into the sewer in the Heroes season finale, I think Charlie dying the way he did was juts lame, and took away from an otherwise awesome episode.