Looking for wireless suggestions

I have to say - I love "abusing" my own blog for technical support. I get the best help here so I hope folks don't mind me doing it again. Yesterday my MacBook Pro started having issues connecting to my wireless network. It couldn't connect to the signal at all. My wife's MacBook though had no trouble. This has happened before - and typically a reboot and a power cycle of the router does the trick. This time though it didn't work. My MBP hasn't been able to connect for 24 hours. I tried removing the wireless security - no go. My wife's machine is still connected - but what is odd is that about every ten minutes or so the signal gets real weak. (The router is about 10 feet away, no walls in between, etc.)

So - this sounds like the hardware is just about to die. Right? Should I just pick up a new one today? Have I said before how much I hate networking?

Comments

I have always had good luck with Linksys and Belkin. What brand do you have?
# Posted By Chris | 9/26/07 8:06 AM
Also, did you try updating the firmware?
# Posted By Chris | 9/26/07 8:07 AM
You could try downloading something like MacStumbler to help assess the signal strength, and see if it's even seeing the SSID of the network - might give you an idea of what the issue might be?
# Posted By Tom K | 9/26/07 8:14 AM
I would start with software and make sure you have the latest OS updates. I think 10.4.10 is out now.

I know 10.3.9 (if i remember right) was lacking on the wireless stuff. My father in-law had it and it did not support WPA encryption so i had to adjust my router for him to connect.

We also use Onyx here at the shop when the mac's start getting flaky.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_...
# Posted By Chad | 9/26/07 8:14 AM
It is Linksys. I haven't updated the firmware in a while. My feeling is that if stuff works - you don't touch it. But I'll definitely try a firmware update.

One more odd thing - I'm no longer able to logon to the router wirelessly, but when I hooked up my laptop via ethernet to it - I could logon.

MacStumbler - I'll try that too Tom. Thanks.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 8:15 AM
This has worked for me several times with my wifes Laptop. I have disabled the network connection on the laptop. rebooted it. restarted the connection and forced it to "regrab" the wireless signal. has worked for me.

good luck.
# Posted By Jay McConathy | 9/26/07 8:20 AM
Ray -

I had (have) the same exact issue with my MBP. I practically have to be sitting right on top of or under an access point to get connected. I've call tech support and they suggested sending it back in.

I'd say take a trip down to your local coffee house and see if you have issues there as well before you run out and purchase a new router or even mess with the one that you have.
# Posted By Scott P | 9/26/07 8:22 AM
Nice - during the firmware upgrade I got:

Upgrade are failed!


Can I ask a favor guys - can someone download the firmware here:

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_CASup...

Unzip the file. Tell me if you get a RMT file. The readme says I need a RMT file, but I get a .bin file.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 8:23 AM
Scott - the coffee shop is on the way to officemax -so I can do that for sure.

Jay - disable the network connection? Dumb question - but how?
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 8:25 AM
Scott - although - my wife's machine is having issues too. Not totally off the net like mine - but definitely issues.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 8:27 AM
I repeated the firmware update - this time it worked. Now to see if that helps any.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 8:32 AM
Not to add the obvious but...

Did you try switching your cordless phone channel?
Did you try switching the router channel?
# Posted By Emmet | 9/26/07 8:34 AM
I have had about 10 routers in the past 8 years (Linksys, Netgear, Belkin and Buffalo). The on that I have been most satisfied with is the Buffalo Airstation. Buffalo routers have excellent features (like loopback if you are running a development server) and very nice configuration screens as well as easy setup.

Buffalo also has many other products like nice network storage etc. However, for my next router, I have been considering the new Airport Extreme from Apple. I have heard nothing but great reviews on it:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A...

It is a little pricier but you can do some cool things with that you cannot do with most routers. For one, it does support N and Mac as well as PC. It also has Gigabit ethernet, and a USB port for making your printer networkable, or making a network hard drive. You can even connect multiple printers and drives to it via a hub!
# Posted By Kyle Hayes | 9/26/07 8:35 AM
@Kyle - I've got 2 issues with DraftN. First off - I have a first gen MBP. I don't believe they support N, I think that was the second gen. I could be wrong. Secondly - my wireless network goes through a powerline network. That network tops out at 85 Mbs. So anything faster than that wirelessly is a bit of a waste. I'm going to upgrade my powerline stuff in a few months to the v2 version of it (can't remember the spec name), which goes up to 125 mbs I believe.

@Emmet - I'll try.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 8:38 AM
Hey Ray I had that same issue my MacBookPro would not connect but everything else would so I so sick of it I just got the new Apple Airport Extreme and have never looked back, I have never had the speeds it gives me as well and the usb port to serve a printer or hard drive it a great feature.
# Posted By Jake | 9/26/07 8:49 AM
if you are looking for a bullet proof router i would highly recommend the Cisco Aironet 1200. It is pretty pricy and if you search ebay you might find some deals. I think we got ours for $500 on ebay. You also have to purchase the antenna type that fits your needs.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps...

We went through about 4 "consumer grade" routers before we decided to bite the bullet and get a real wireless router.

It taps into our ldap server for user permission stuff and runs on power over ethernet.

Im sure it is overkill for your home network, but wanted to give a nice review on this router.
# Posted By Chad | 9/26/07 8:52 AM
Ray,

Had/Having the same issue with my MBP and an actiontec router. I have found that decreasing the packet fragmentation has greatly boosted my signal and the effectiveness with which my MBP has been able to connect. Essentially what happens is that the larger your packets the more likely they are to collide and get dropped, and losing a 2000 byte packet is far more detrimental to your connection stability then losing a 256 byte packet. This does introduce overhead but so long as your not planning on transfering huge files across the network with regularity you should be fine.

Also I would grab a copy of iStumbler so you can see all the 802.11 activity going on. See if there is anyone out there broadcasting on the same channel as you. I was able to go from about 30-40% signal strength to 80% by changing channels and decreasing the packet fragmentation.

Worked out quite well for me yesterday. Also I have heard some complaints from friends that their MBPs have issues with WEP, but it sounds like you have been down that avenue.
# Posted By Matt Turner | 9/26/07 9:26 AM
As far as routers go I absolutely, unequivocally love the Cisco 815W for home use. Its opened up my network speeds by about 20% from the Linksys I switched from. Its a bit headier than using a Linksys with the plug and go as you need to configure a cisco IOS, but imho its well worth it.

As far as your problem, I'd do what Scott said and check another hotspot quick. It sounds more like your network card than the router on first read.
# Posted By DanaK | 9/26/07 9:27 AM
I have been fighting my Linksys for a few weeks with this very same issue. I finally broke down and ordered a new Apple Airport Extreme which arrived yesterday.

So far so good. My MBP is the Core Duo like yours Ray so no "N" support for me either but the "G" is fine for everything I do.

And as Jay said above, the USB port for sharing devices on the network is a very nice feature. I have a USB hub plugged into mine sharing my printer and a 750GB USB harddrive for backup purposes.
# Posted By Russ Johnson | 9/26/07 9:39 AM
Ray, internal wifi cards have small antennas inside that connect to the card. Sometimes they come unclipped and you will experience what you are seeing. If you open it up you can see a little card with two tiny wires with what look like buttons attached to it. Check that these are firmly attached.
# Posted By TJ Downes | 9/26/07 9:52 AM
Sorry if i don't reply to everyone - going a bit crazy here with 'real workd' and this.

So I did apply the firmware. I went downstairs to check the router out about an hour later - and the Power light is flashing off and on. This is even though the web admin had told me the firmware updated ok.

To tap it off - now I find that my MBP isn't drawing power! When you hook up the power to the MBP, you get a green or orange light. I had noticed a few times over the last week or so that my MBP wasn't charged. Now I think I've confirmed a problem. I moved it - still no juice. I "jiggled" the connection a bit and finally got it to light up.

This _cannot_ happen before a major conference. Period. It can't. :)
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 10:01 AM
Ray, if you are looking for the best bang for your buck, you gotta go with a Linksys WRT54G, and put some 3rd party firmware. You get a $500 router for $50 if you go with the <a href="http://www.dd-wrt.com">DD-WRT firmware</a> the trick is to get a model that has some juice to it. Check the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G">Links... WRT54G Wiki</a> and be sure to look at the serial number on the box before buying.

** If you have trouble after flashing most recommend you power cycle (and cross your fingers - hehe)
# Posted By TomdeMan | 9/26/07 10:14 AM
Quick, someone go to Ray's Wishlist and get a router for him or this may be the end of his create cf apps! :)
# Posted By Chris | 9/26/07 10:15 AM
After years of using Linksys, I switched to the Airport Extreme in the spring and I have to say it rocks. Its got much better range than my Linksys routers ever did. You just have to get used to it not having web access to the configuration of it. You install software on your Mac.
# Posted By Jeff Self | 9/26/07 11:59 AM
My Linksys is dead. It doesn't stop flashing even w/ a hard reset. I've ordered the Airport Extreme and did overnight service.

I
Hate
Networking
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 1:00 PM
I have a similar problem from time to time. From what I observe it sometimes appears that the microwave causes this when it is running or if my cell phone is close by. I have not fully diagnosed this yet, but it appears that one or both of these could be causing the problem.
# Posted By rm | 9/26/07 2:07 PM
This is an actual problem with OSX.

You must go into the network setting for your airport card and choose preferred networks. Then remove them all. Click APPLY. The change "By Default, Join:" back to automatic and again click apply. Then reboot the MBP and Voila fixed.

Just for reference it is usually caused when the MBP goes to sleep while connected to the WiFi network. If you need it I can dig up the link to the Apple KB.
# Posted By Mike Benner | 9/26/07 3:24 PM
Oops, I didn't see the part about your wife's signal getting weak. But hopefully the above helps with others having MBP problems.
# Posted By Mike Benner | 9/26/07 3:26 PM
I had tried that- it didn't help. And with the router now flashing and not responding at all - I'm thinking it truly did bite the bullet.

So - no blog posts from me at night now. Well, for a day. What is odd is that the ethernet ports still work. So I may move the crap out of the kitchen so I can work tonight.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/26/07 3:30 PM
Check the pins on the MBP power cable - i had one go bad on me and one or more of the spring loaded pins was depressed and wouldn't spring back out reliably.

As far the router goes, you should have gone for a <$50 buffalo and dd-wrt :)
# Posted By Charles | 9/26/07 4:04 PM
Wireless routers do die after a while. I had a super cheap Linksys that I got for $20 on sale. After a year or so, it would only work intermittently. I tried to upgrade the firmware, and that killed it off entirely. Got a slightly nicer Linksys, so far so good.
# Posted By Josh Nathanson | 9/26/07 4:35 PM
It is done. The only issue I had was trying to get it into router mode - not gateway mode. It kept complaining that I didn't have a cord in the WAN link, which is true. I found it in the manual settings though. One laptop is connected and I'll do my wife's tonight. The signal strength does seem pretty impressive.

Oh - and I have to get my Xbox connected as well. That is mission critical.
# Posted By Raymond Camden | 9/27/07 4:33 PM