Grabbing the Bull by the Horn(s)
Wow. So today has been a busy day. I'm not really sure where to begin. I'm way high now on drugs so I'm not exactly what I would call clear headed, but I will try to respond to some of the points Mr. Horn made on his blog posting.
BlogCFC 4.0.2 via the Rabid_BlogCFC has been removed from my servers as a downloadable item. It seems the orginal author via his proxies wanted me to keep the changes to myself so I shall.
I have spent most of today either in pain, or in some blissful place called Hyrocodone. I have not sent anyone out to attack you. I've been monitoring the situation, but that is all. I have no proxies. I have no cronies. I have no henchmen. (Although it would be kinda cool to have some. Weeg, want to be my henchman??) I have barely been able to focus on my work so trust me - I'm not organizing any kind of attack.
Kudos to the original author(s) of BlogCFC for making such a great product only thing for me is that I wasn't smart enough to be able to use it successfully without making some changes that I shall now take to my grave, so to speak.
I'm not sure what you mean. If you ran into problems with the software, you can always email me. I do not always respond, but I do make an effort to respond to support requests. Ditto with change requests. People send me ideas. Sometimes I like them. Sometimes I don't. I guess my projects aren't really a democracy, but I'm ok with that, and I think most of my users trust me to use my best judgement when it comes to responding to requests. I apply the same filtering to CFLib, the cookbook, and other sites. I applied the same filtering when I managed the community source for Spectra at Macromedia.
Personally I think the real deal was that the original author's code was beginning to leok less than professional alongside the changes I had made however the original author failed to contact me concerning how he could obtain the changces I made which I would have shared with him freely.
As I said above - if you emailed me and said you had made a change, I may or may not incorporate it. It doesn't mean your changes are bad. I just may not think they are appropriate. It is not a science. It is just my gut feeling. Frankly I think what you said was a low blow. I have said on more than one occasion that BlogCFC is not perfect. I really do not like the UberCFC approach I used. (UberCFC is what I'm calling the method of storing all the business logic into one CFC.) In fact, at CFUnited I plan on talking about this and how I would rebuild the blog a bit differently. But to imply that I had folks attack you out of jealousy is a lie. I do not pretend to write the best code out there. In fact, the whole CF Jedi Master thing is more a reflection of me being a SW geek then me thinking I'm a "Master" developer.
That being said - let me talk abit about my license, or lack thereof. I've been sharing ColdFusion code for a very, very long time. It started with custom tags at the old Allaire tag gallery. The first real "project" that I shared was BlogCFC. I share code because I love ColdFusion. I've loved CF since the first day I used instead of Perl. I think it is the best damn language on the planet. In fact, if Ben Forta ever gets a package from me, he should ensure that it isn't ticking - as I'd love to steal his job and spread the CF love around the world.
That being said - I am more concerned with getting my code out there to the world then worrying about legal crap. That is 100% my fault, and I admit it. I guess now I'm going to find some silly license and actually cut and paste it into my zips now. I didn't want to worry about it. I didn't think I had to. I guess I was fooling myself.
I want to make one final point. Every single application I have released has had some kind of help from others. I believe Michael Dinowitz called me the "King" of CF Open Source. Well - I would certainly not be there if not for the constant submissions of fixes, suggestions, and ideas from others. So - for everyone out there praising me - praise yourselves as well. This is a great community. Not a perfect one - but good enough for me.
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me and tango, and brannon hightower are READY whenever, wherever you may need us :)
tw
"Animals infected with rabies may appear sick, crazed, or vicious. This is the origin of the phrase "mad dog." However, animals infected with rabies may also appear overly friendly, docile, or confused."
I love irony!
Ray Horn...hey, isn't he the guy that missed the field goal in Ace Ventura? Oh wait, that was Ray Finkle...same loser :P
No, wait...that was Roy Horn...nevermind.
share the meds ray, share the meds!
actually you do not need the Creative Commons License. By default your work meets those criteria. I don't have the specific legal stuff in front of me but here is a link to John Dvorak discussing just this http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1838244,00.as...
Well so long as you don't stop developing your wonderful apps. Cool. Also why didn't he just ask. Mmmm, odd.
Ray (Camden), you know you have friends/followers that look for you. Keep it up.
-Rob
Proxy/henchmen/crony,
Joe
Can we lay off the slams on Ray Horn? He made several mistakes, did his best to apologize, and has rescinded his version of Ray's software. Sure, you might not like how he worded things, but I think it is time we let it drop and move on.
Doesn't Mystic come out soon? And CFDJ's framework comparison! Lets talk about those things instead
anyway, its our ray's blog and we can bitch if we want to!
dont mess with one of ours, and we wont bitch.
like i always say, if you didnt want to read the news, dont pick up the paper.
and really, im not that harsh, just hate when people tell people to stop doing something. we are adults, we are not residents of china, and no one can tell us what to do.
sorry.
tw
The problem is he doesn't see (or doesn't want to see) why we are all enraged by his unethical actions. Until that time, any 'apology' is suspect, at best.
When you get a chance, if you are looking for licenses for your CF items, you may want to check out the Creative Commons LGPL license at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/LGPL/2.1/
It provides a nice (readable) CC wrapper for the LGPL and the text (linkage) to place in your files that links back to the CC site for the actual verbage. Not much work to include, since CC (and FSF) have done the bulk already.
Just a thought.
TC
>> he should ensure that it isn't ticking - as I'd love
>> to steal his job and spread the CF love around the world.
Um, thanks, I think. ;-)
Call me Danny or Daniel. Anyone who ever calls me just 'Dan' ends up oweing me money.
As for being miffed over lack of launch, I'm still trying to get over the fact that after watching moon landings as a little kid, we still don't have a colony on the moon! Who the heck stole my future?!?
Anyway, I can certainly understand everyone's fury, but I think things started to get a little bit heated. Sure, it is good to get this out into the open, but the personal attacks just started to look a little too personal. If I wanted that kind of flame-war, I could just go to any PHP, CFMX, .NET, Java, or whatever forum and slam an other language/app and say they were fading away or sucked for reason x. Instant flame-war. Lots of ranting and insults, and always an amusing read.
But an internal flame war? Self-defeating if you ask me.
not sure how i could ever owe you money, but whatever.
im mad at the launch too :(
fury is fun. arguing is fun. anger is a gift. i guess we all hope he reads it and understands how wrong he might have been. support for ray makes the naysayers look worse!
yes, internal flame wars are moronic!
We are here to support you and if you need any kind of black ops, let us know!!
Henchmen #77
Spare a thought for Ray C's sore arm... I'm sure slapping his side laughing isn't helping.
Yesterday I at-least had some respect the the man but today this is not the case.
So again - please tell me where I was unprofessional. I will gladly apologize if so.
I wonder how much of the other projects on his page will end up having open source code he's borrowed, added on to and then wants to sell. Let's see if he ever actually designs, codes and releases anything that is truly his own work from the ground up and then he can brag on his excellent coding abilities. I also wonder why he's afraid to turn on comments for his blog... afraid of criticism?
i think if you knew ray, you would take some of the things he said in jest, as they were meant. thats just how ray is. he is world class person, coder and overall kind fella. as you saw, we all stepped up to the plate for him, regardless of anything. that to me, speaks volumes. maybe take a step back, be non-rabid, be a bit open-minded, and realize that maybe this isnt so serious, its cool... ray is cool, its all good man. really.
and no, im no henchman, fuck im a golfing computer geek. the hardest thing i can hit might be a driver to about 345 or so. its all good. ease up on ray.
peace
I can vouch for that fact. I remember Ray making some bug fixes within 10 mins of a blogCFC release specifically to a db issue and so has been the case for incorporating new ideas.
His posts are becoming annoying an not really polite.
StormTrooper #1536481418486
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Hear the difference?